Tight end Rankings, Jonathan Taylor's standoff reaction
The Dudes break down NFL news, specifically the intriguing standoff between the Colts and Jonathan Taylor. Has Jim Irsay officially lost it or was that a long time ago?
Then switch lanes to discuss our rankings for tight-end positions. Is this the year that Kyle Pitts finally reaches his full potential? Is Jordan too high on Pat Freiermuth and much more NFL talk.
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Speaker 1:We're hoping he makes it here. We're hoping he makes it like a male or a bride. We're like hoping he gets here. You know what I'm saying? Oh, I honestly that is the same. I don't.
Speaker 3:Okay, do you know what I'm saying? Though, like you're hopeful, you're hoping they get there. Like how much did you know that, do you?
Speaker 1:know how that's really common back in the old days, like back in the old West. If they were, if they were like Working together or things like that, it was a very common thing for that to happen, like people would. People would meet through families it's not necessarily male, or people would meet through families and then they would go, and then they would just fly, making this sounds like we're paying Jordan for some kind of service, so that's what you're making it sound like all I'm saying is I'm hopeful that he'd get here, because it'd be really nice, nice, and I have to carry this pod, like I normally do like, having him here, at least on the other side of the, on the other Side of the table. I know that. Have some confidence in the guy, like you know, helping me carry the fantasy stats. Would you agree to that, seth? Sure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's. That's a great way to say it. What I hate is we do it. We have a little new setup here. We're still trying to find ourselves on the pod, so check us out on YouTube at TFF dudes. Problem is is me and Phil are lounging out on the couch.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, I'm sitting up Postured and Phil's like my back hurts so he's got to sit on the couch.
Speaker 1:The problem is notice, he has a pillow behind him. Yeah, here's the thing the problem. The problem with this is that you've picked the like Least athlete, like the most out-of-shape guy, to sit on the very edge, right, we're like. I usually like sitting behind the table because it could hide, like from the shoulders up. You would look at me and be like man, this guy's kind of in shape, but if you get the full view it's less than ideal. So just don't go to YouTube this next one. We got to figure this out.
Speaker 3:Well, here's the thing is Trinca put a black box right under Phil's chest.
Speaker 1:Sorry.
Speaker 2:Seth is sitting in a chair. I'm on a couch. Like Seth is taller than me but he makes me look like you know, I'm a little person, you know if you look on YouTube like he looks way taller because his chair is way higher, it's true, I mean we just give Phil a blanket and there he feels a little more confident.
Speaker 1:I need like a little booster seat is actually. That's looking tan, though. You see this, yes, yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm back from Hawaii man, I'm back from.
Speaker 3:Hawaii. I live in a location with my family.
Speaker 1:It's a good time. Nice man, what's your? What was the favorite, what was your favorite food there? You get a. You guys go out a couple times.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we went out a lot. I had Okay, actually, let me just say, not me Maybe the most interesting thing I have. They have this they call us I don't know if it's a special kind of sweet potato or it's just a purple sweet potato they call it an ube. Okay, and they. There's this one coffee shop that mixes it and that's the sweetener in their coffee. It's called an ube latte. It is fantastic, but is your coffee a little? Oh, no, it's. Your coffee is like purple.
Speaker 1:That's what I was wondering. Okay, it's like a.
Speaker 3:It's like a, it's purple on the bottom, and then the coffee is on the top With milk and you mix it, man, it is really good.
Speaker 1:I've never thought you could sweeten a coffee with, like a sweet potato makes it's really good it actually makes a lot of sense, like I think that, yeah, I think it makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was really cool. I've never. I was like I got to try this. I tried it and I was like man, I was really expecting it to be bad, but it was really good. Yeah, no, I think if that made its way to the States, I think people would like, really like it what I mean when you on it was on the big island hole.
Speaker 1:Okay cool, that's awesome. Yeah, it was a good time. Yeah, I mean sweet potato flavored coffee.
Speaker 3:It doesn't even taste like a sweet potato, just tastes sweet. It just tastes sweet. It's like a different kind. It's weird, though. Like more of a subtle sweet I don't even know how to explain it like. I think if you think sweet potato, you could like kind of taste it a little bit, but also like it. I think it's just a different way of sweetening your drink, but it's just, it was cool.
Speaker 2:Nice yeah, I mean so I had a just a quick little weekend recap and we'll get to the tight end rankings and we're gonna talk some Jonathan Taylor.
Speaker 3:Yeah that's some big news. Yeah, we need to believe that, even even posted today about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I. Just this past weekend we went to some friends house and their daughter had a Went to a pool party and she had a lot of chlorine in her eyes. Her eyes were burning and I guess this is common or it's not common, but it's an old swimmer trick that if you put milk drops in your eyes, it takes out the chlorine. Have you heard that? I've seen people do it, I think. I think I've heard of that so so the my buddy's wife looks at me and my wife and says, before she does this, she says did you guys swim in high school? And you know, just looking at me on youtube.
Speaker 4:That she's just being polite.
Speaker 2:I said I said that's the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me. Definitely no, I'm not a swimmer. I can swim. I perfected the speedo. Definitely would be a jammer guy, but uh.
Speaker 1:Hey, we did have to wear singlets when we were in wrestling. Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 3:And those are, those are. Those are basically. I feel bad for every guy that wrestled Trent. Oh, this guy's on one tonight.
Speaker 2:You know, I know he's the guy goes out in tans, you know, in a european, nevermind.
Speaker 1:He's, he's, he's got these. Who knows, there may have been like some, uh, some other properties in that sweet potato sweetener. You know what I'm saying? It's true, like we don't know, that guy could be vaping sweet potato sweetener like for all we know. That's a stupid.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but that was kind of unworded when I said but it was fun.
Speaker 2:We got a little shout out on twitter today, guys. Steve, you know, said his life goal is to hang out with the dudes one day.
Speaker 3:So yeah, I, he's got to make his way out here, yeah or or or vice versa.
Speaker 1:You know, like I would, I would why?
Speaker 3:haven't we? We got to go over there and go watch a game. Yeah for sure. Road trip Drafts in Detroit we should go. We should go to a lions game. Yeah, I think that'd be fun.
Speaker 1:Let's leave our families for a week and go watch the Thanksgiving game. It sounds like the best idea ever Okay speaking of families hold on. Did I celebrate my 10-year wedding anniversary? Hey, stop it. That's like that's a, that's a power move, I feel like.
Speaker 3:I wasn't clapping for Phil. I was clapping for his wife.
Speaker 4:It's true.
Speaker 2:It feels like marriage is easy.
Speaker 1:I feel like it's probably like if, yeah, I mean it's it's probably been a lot easier for me than it has been. Her like I mean she's has to live with me, like Steve's one of the only people I know who really wants to hang out with us, and he said he included me in that tweet, so I know he means me, but most other people. I feel like I'm pretty low on the list, you know.
Speaker 2:I was yeah, if he moved here I'd let him take your spot on the pod, honestly, but I live in in the dude. Yeah, he'd be living here in the dude din, but uh, yeah, we I don't know how to transition into Jonathan Taylor talk from this other than we should probably just do it.
Speaker 1:Well, a marriage is something. My marriage is lasting a long time. Yes, and Jonathan Taylor is seeking a divorce from the Colts. That is your segue right there.
Speaker 3:Trans boom. That is your segue. And and his significant other, the owner, is saying we are never gonna trade you. Yeah like that's I mean. What is I mean? You, I don't even understand. Like Sure, like we're saying we're never gonna trade you, but we're not gonna give you the money you want, so he's just not gonna play. Yeah so it's like he doesn't play and then Nobody wins, except maybe Jonathan Taylor, because he's something me forces them to do what he wants by not playing.
Speaker 1:But then also yeah.
Speaker 3:Like it's he does. He have a penalty in his contract if he doesn't play.
Speaker 2:I believe he's losing money every day.
Speaker 1:He doesn't go that's pretty calm yeah but he's still making money.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but he's still. He's not maxing out his contract maxing it out.
Speaker 2:But even the tweet he did today like Just pulling up Twitter, there was someone like per sources he was complaining of like back pain or something like that.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then he said per sources. That's wrong, yeah his back's fine is what he's buying new sources is what he's saying.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think I think Trent has the the actual quote to eat here, but I'm just trying to fill the air here. While that's the one nice thing about sleeper how we talked about earlier is the sleeper updates man. They are on it quick and I really appreciate them.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I get almost all my football news from oh yeah, that's great notification.
Speaker 2:It's just the stuff you want, because even sometimes Adam Schefter, like you, can put them on alerts every once, while he is just send something out. That's like not football related, it's like hey.
Speaker 1:I had, I would say like 50% of his tweets or news is not football, honestly kind of a bummer life.
Speaker 2:Like Adam Schefter has a good life, obviously, but like he can't like retweet a barbecue pick without people just jumping on his back. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:He and Rappaport does it, and he does it with so much more like swag. Do you follow rap? I like rap better. I personally I'm a rap guy. Like he's always throwing down on the barbecue Uh, he's always on the on the links like the guy. He just seems like a dude that you want to hang out with. Is what I'm saying? Yeah, just go ahead and read this, and this is from first off. This is from Ian Rappaport. This is not. This is not chef.
Speaker 2:Well, well, John and Taylor tweeted it. No, but I know. But he retweeted he said one I never had back pain to never reported back pain. Not sure who your sources are, but find new ones. Who is the one who originally posted that? John than Taylor tweeted.
Speaker 3:No, I know, but who says the one who said the reporter who reported?
Speaker 1:on there.
Speaker 3:On his back.
Speaker 1:Was it? Is it arry? No, it wasn't arry, or was it just some like local guy.
Speaker 2:I I'm gonna have to look for it here. I'm going through all my notifications.
Speaker 3:It might have been some like a training camp reporter. Yeah that's entirely possible. Looking for some clout Maybe.
Speaker 2:Well, they didn't. They put him on the injured list.
Speaker 3:I don't know I I didn't see that update if he was on the injured list or not because he's not.
Speaker 2:Uh, sorry, I'm pulling, I'm pulling this all up here, phil, I'll find it faster than you.
Speaker 1:Uh, no, I'm getting a update on where Jordan is.
Speaker 2:That's where uh, so John than Taylor he. The weirdest thing about this whole thing is, uh, urse, tweeting, tweeting the whole thing like in the NFL. If both of us aren't in the NFL tomorrow, no one will care.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that that seemed. That was weird too.
Speaker 1:Um, I think, Seth, you're the one saying like, who knows how this ends?
Speaker 3:Well, it's, it's, it's weird because obviously it's complicated. Jonathan Taylor, running backs aren't as valued with the money as other positions right it is the most it is the most wear and tear in your body, maybe besides linemen and guys who are making contact linebackers and such Um but like those guys, like what they're. Like, I think what Jordan was saying, or maybe what is you saying it I don't even know who was saying it but it's like these guys are going to want to hold out earlier or sign these shorter contracts out of college because it's like their time to make money is after they produce one big year and they show what they can do in a year. And now it's like hey, now it's time to get my money, because it may be in three years. I'm not going to be re-signed, they're going to be looking for the next running back. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Like, whereas these receivers, like Justin Jefferson, is going to be on the Vikings, so this guy's probably 30, you know like yeah like Ari Mirov, tweeted latest twist Colts are contemplating placing Jonathan Taylor on non football injury lists due to back pain injury he suffered away from team. This means if Taylor didn't play this season, his contract would just told the 2024. So he might have been talking about.
Speaker 1:Ari, or he's talking about the?
Speaker 3:person or he's talking about the Colts putting him down for back pain when he doesn't have back pain? Yeah, so maybe that's directed at the Colts saying, hey, why are you putting on the non football injury list? Because I didn't hurt my back. You can't put me on there for no reason. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Then he said Colts owner Jim Ursay has made it clear that he won't extend Jonathan Taylor's contract and Taylor will only play for them this season. This is now taking it to another level and my way, or the highway approach, that means if he does play, they're just going to run him into the ground more than what they would have.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, they're going to run him into the ground and maybe that's good for fantasy, but I mean, like, is he going to? Is he going to want to do that? Does that help him if they force him to?
Speaker 1:play, would you say he's one of the best running back talents we've seen in the last 10 years. He's up there like he. He's got to be top 10, right.
Speaker 2:Maybe last 10 year I would have to go look at like a list at like, everything like.
Speaker 4:I don't know.
Speaker 1:It's like past, like five for sure, I think he would at least be in the conversation. You get what I'm saying. He put us five years ago was insane. Yeah, great season.
Speaker 3:It was an awesome and he was.
Speaker 1:He was doing all right last year until he got hurt. It's kind of a weird one. Do you want to keep going on this, or you will know?
Speaker 2:Here's another thing that Ari tweeted. The Colts once allowed Andrew Luck to keep his entire $24.8 million that they could have recouped after his he abruptly retired. To see them go to this measure with Jonathan Taylor is truly remarkable. This is two sides mad at each other with no signs of improvement, like why, there was another word there. Yeah, but why would? Why would you give it? Why would Ursa let Luck take $24.8 million when he just you know retired all of a sudden that preseason game? But you know, now you're going to hold Jonathan Taylor hostage like this.
Speaker 1:I mean I would want to know more, but it's on the, on the surface it looks.
Speaker 3:That looks really awful yeah it looks awful, because letting $25 million go just because the guy wants, I mean, don't get me wrong, andrew Luck can do whatever he wants, yeah.
Speaker 2:But don't let him keep the money.
Speaker 3:You're letting him take 25 from retiring early, Whereas Jonathan Taylor I mean, what is his demands Like? What does he want? Is it ridiculous?
Speaker 1:Well, no, I don't think so. Right, I think you'd probably be fine with $25 million this season.
Speaker 2:No, but this all started over two seasons. See, there's been so many tweets and stuff said in the past. You know, 48 hours Urse said something. Jonathan Taylor tweeted something about like hey, running backs need to get paid. And Urse said something like totally like against it almost you know what I'm saying. Do you guys remember the alert Seth? I didn't say that. You probably were on Island time and didn't remember it. But this is just so far back now. So then they met and then all this has happened and now it's like a little Twitter war Glass full into what's next. Next time you like have something with your job, just take it to Twitter. It always works better.
Speaker 1:How does the coffee that you were drinking again? What does it call Ube coffee? Ube latte, ube latte, that's good. Why are you bringing that up? He was, like you know, a third of a way into his Ube coffee and probably missed that update.
Speaker 3:Exactly it is a three hour time difference. Right now.
Speaker 1:So I don't know, I'm kind of like I mean, how old is Jonathan Taylor?
Speaker 3:20?
Speaker 2:Well, he's only on his like third year he might be 27.
Speaker 1:He might be 28, I think.
Speaker 2:What landing spots? Like you think the dolphins throw something out there to try to get him. Like when you set it up like this, right, I'm pulling it on.
Speaker 3:Well, they said they're not going to trade him and they're not going to extend him. So what does that mean? That means they're going to keep one more. He's 24 years old. Okay, so he's 24. Why are we not extending him?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it makes no sense because they don't want to give him the money because of how safe and honestly we would have talked probably about, say, juan Barclay signing that weird deal like the one year 10 million no, it was 11. They offered him 10 million and then he got no, they wanted to franchise tag him for 10.
Speaker 4:He signed for 11, okay which is still a million bucks.
Speaker 2:But and there's a lot of incentives in there which makes me want to move, say Juan, up on my draft.
Speaker 3:I think they really is. Like he's really leaning on, like, hey, the transfer me good this year. Yeah. I think he's got it. I think he wants to stay there for him or your CV can make a shot.
Speaker 1:I thought Taylor was a lot older. I don't know what I was thinking. He is 24 years old, okay.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so that this seems ridiculous to me. I mean, like, what did I mean? Unless the contract he's asking for is like insane, but like I don't think it's anything like out of the because he puts up a season like he does, like he can carry this Colts team to, yeah, a playoff run.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they could at least. Yeah, in the AFC stuff they almost did with a take some pressure off Richardson. You know what I?
Speaker 4:mean.
Speaker 3:But I don't. It just seems the not extension and then the not trade. It's like you're gonna let him go after a year. Why don't you just trade him? Yeah, this thing, they just want them for this year. Let it trade him and then get what you want out of it, and they could.
Speaker 1:They could potentially end up resigning him anyways, if the the market's not there.
Speaker 3:I don't know what the play is here. Obviously we don't know enough.
Speaker 2:And Seth. The thing is that these running backs do deserve to get paid a little bit more.
Speaker 3:Oh, I totally agree.
Speaker 1:I mean like they I don't know why it wouldn't. I don't know. Yeah, I don't expect. At 24 years old is a little bit crazy. He was banged up last year. He missed what? Six games, five games. Yeah, he missed five or six games last year, so maybe they're just like I. Just I don't think there's been anything out about every running back ever, always gets hurt. No, I agree with you. I don't. I mean, I'm not disagreeing with you but I'm just like I don't know what they're thinking there.
Speaker 2:Well, the problem is you look at that list that has the last like the last, no, but no, but the last team that won a Super Bowl with like a RB one, it was the Seahawks with Lynch. Like every other team has like like the best running back for the chiefs, best running back was what Pacheco last year. Like you go back and look at all the Super Bowl champions and it's like not a good running back. That's the problem, it's a committee and that's what's hurting the market. Letters letters that he was a free agent that signed with the Bucks that year. Oh was he yeah like.
Speaker 3:I mean, I guess the closest example is probably the 49ers last year on their run Like they kind of. I mean they threw the ball in the category a lot too.
Speaker 2:The best example is probably Todd Gurley, when the Rams won, that's when they lost the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1:He was even playing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he like. Yeah, it was like a decoy the whole game.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that was weird, I guess. Yeah, you're right. I guess that big point was the Seahawks with Lynch. But I mean the Seahawks also mean we ran, they ran the ball a lot but it was in 2014. They ran the one in 2012.
Speaker 2:No, no that was 2013.
Speaker 1:When they won it? But no, what I'm saying is is like, and even.
Speaker 2:Lynch was good that year, but he wasn't like RB three on the season. He was probably like closer to like 10. Yeah, he was a good running back. He wasn't like you know how CMC is. Yeah.
Speaker 3:I guess you're right. I mean, I guess, a lot of success the NFL now comes with a I mean an awesome quarterback and a good receiving core, I mean, and even the Eagles like Jalen.
Speaker 2:Hurts ran the ball. I still think they need to pay him, though Like oh, I agree.
Speaker 3:I think the running backs take some of the biggest toll on their body than any other player.
Speaker 1:Can we talk about Aaron Rodgers telling Sean Payton to take his coaches coach his name out of his mouth? Yes, we can. Did you see that set?
Speaker 2:Weird, a weird weekend on Sean McVeigh or Sean Payton.
Speaker 1:You said Sean McVeigh, or do you say Sean Payton, sean Payton, and there's some weird stuff about Sean McVeigh too.
Speaker 2:No, Sean Payton had just an interesting weekend.
Speaker 1:There was a video that resurfaced of him at a party with high school kids maybe high school kids. How do you keep a job after that? I wonder if he just ignored it.
Speaker 3:Does he have kids in high school?
Speaker 1:I don't know I don't think it mattered, he was smoking, not cigarettes.
Speaker 2:Or cigars.
Speaker 1:Or any nicotine product or any like vape.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean that looks really bad, yeah, and it's like all kids that maybe are 18 in the video Allegedly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's bad yeah maybe we don't know, it's just a bad look. I don't know how you keep a job after that. If you're in the normal workforce, you're not keeping a job out of that, it's probably because the Rams just threw the house at him.
Speaker 4:You mean Sean Payton. It's Sean Payton. Sorry, I meant Denver. I meant Denver, yeah.
Speaker 3:They threw the house at him to make something. Maybe he's coming up with another story to try and take that. I mean that team was a dumpster fire last year. They're trying to put anything out and I guess, like it's like whatever Do they play this year A week five?
Speaker 1:I think they play. I think the Broncos and the Jets play week five this year. They do play.
Speaker 2:They do play. And so he said. He said last year was the worst. What Payton said was last year was the worst coaching ever.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he said he's one of the worst coaches ever.
Speaker 2:And then he said the Jets are the Jets, it doesn't matter who they signed there at winning any games. And he said something about Salem.
Speaker 1:I wonder even what the question was about why he decided to go out the.
Speaker 2:He said he got caught with his old TV personality. He's had the last couple of years. That was his excuse.
Speaker 1:Oh, and so he just was like he said, he's just been used to being on TV. Cutting a snippet or whatever the thing is, is that you don't want to scrap with Robert Salem, like that dude? If we had to say, like a scrap between Sean Payton and Robert Salem, that guy, robert Salem, is going to throw an elbow from left field and drop the guy Like it's just, it's not a good look. That guy is a defensive dude. Like actually we talk a lot about coaches who are like tough dudes. Like Robert Salem is probably up there, former Seahawk I believe, coached on the Seahawk staff.
Speaker 2:He's a good fighter.
Speaker 1:I guess he's got that grit. That's what it means.
Speaker 2:When you think of Seattle, people do not Grit is not a top five word that comes to mind Legion of Boom you don't think the Legion of Boom had grit.
Speaker 3:Yeah, what are you talking about? You don't think the.
Speaker 1:Legion of Boom had grit Like what are you talking about here, my guy? Best defense, arguably ever.
Speaker 3:No one's thinking about the top three defense ever.
Speaker 4:No one's thinking about Legion of.
Speaker 2:Boom when they bring up Seattle guys. You guys are living Wait what?
Speaker 3:That is like the main thing. What are you? Yeah, what are you talking about? When someone brings up Seattle, they think of Steve Largent, they think of Legion of Boom and they think of the four years when the Seahawks were really good as a.
Speaker 2:Cowboys fan it's sad that I have to tell you guys it's not cool living in the past.
Speaker 4:So you know what I'm saying. When people talk about Dallas, they talk about the Great Wall of.
Speaker 2:Dallas. Don't deflect.
Speaker 1:No, I'm just saying you guys are here living in the past.
Speaker 4:What did?
Speaker 3:you think of the Seahawks? No, no.
Speaker 1:This isn't 30 years ago, when the Cowboys were good, I know. Don't deflect. When you think of the Seahawks, you don't think of the Legion of Boom. I don't know. What do you?
Speaker 2:think of then? I think of DK Metcalf, I think of Kenneth Walker, I think of the guys on the team right now you think of like today, yeah. So when you think of the Cowboys, you think of last year, the Seahawks aren't like market team, where people like go back and think of all that stuff. Like Wait Trent, they won one Super Bowl like the way you sound right now makes me feel like you're in that video.
Speaker 3:They were arguably the best football teams in those four years.
Speaker 2:Okay, maybe those four years, but the best defense ever? No, they are not. No, he didn't say that that's the best three.
Speaker 3:He didn't say best defense of ever. They were a trend.
Speaker 2:I don't know Right behind the 80 something bears like they're right close to their best and Ravens like I don't disagree with you on that.
Speaker 3:Where are the other ones? Those are the top three right there.
Speaker 1:Trent, I can't believe you don't think of the Legion of Boom when you think of the Seahawks.
Speaker 2:Like honestly it kills me to say this, but I really wish Jordan was here to help me between you and YAHOO. I think you would agree.
Speaker 1:It's you? Yeah, he would. I think you would say well, this is a Seahawks pod.
Speaker 3:Don't put words in his mouth. I'll let him speak when he comes. Anyways, this isn't a Seahawks pod. It's not a Seahawks pod.
Speaker 1:Anyhow, they're a gritty team. I can't like Doug Baldwin. You don't think that guy has a grid.
Speaker 2:Okay, phil, but we're talking about right now. People don't think of the Seahawks right now.
Speaker 1:We're moving on. We're moving on.
Speaker 2:Doug Baldwin. Yeah, he's going to start saying guys, the guy doesn't even know who Sean Alexander is he's talking about. When people think of the Seahawks, they think of grit. You know Sean Alexander had grit. Yeah, sean.
Speaker 1:Alexander did, but you said he's-. When did he play?
Speaker 2:You don't even know who Matt.
Speaker 1:Hasselback is probably you were stupid.
Speaker 4:All right, let's move on here.
Speaker 3:I wasn't a fan, though I wasn't a fan but I was.
Speaker 1:I was appreciative from afar.
Speaker 2:Yeah, far right now, but I don't know. Hey, the pass is a lot closer than you guys think, I guess, so we'll just Do you know what's far or a far cry that you swam in high school, like that's that. That's the only far cry that I've heard. That is a far cry.
Speaker 1:All right, let's get in these tie-in rankings. Jordan is still not here.
Speaker 2:Jordan is still not here.
Speaker 1:He said just for what it's worth in techs. We started this pod about 20 minutes ago. He said you guys talk nonsense for 45 minutes. How long have you been recording? We've been recording 26 minutes, but we did.
Speaker 2:No, but we did a 10 minute recap and then there's actually NFL relevant news, right?
Speaker 4:now yeah.
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Speaker 1:So we're moving on to our Titan, to our Titan, our Titan rankings Titans. We usually keep it pretty light and it's fluctuates quite a bit here, but this is. This is where last year's finished. I think there's going to be at least one in here that might shock you, so let's go through it. Gerald Everett ended at 15. Dawson Knox ended at 14. Joanne Johnson, 13. David Njoku, 12. Dallas Goddard, 11. Tyler Higby, 10. Dalton Schultz, 9. Pratt Firemuth, 8. Cole Comet, 7. Taysum Hill, 6. Evan Ingram, 5. Mark Andrews, 4. Tj Hawkinson, 3. George Kittle, 2. And Travis Kelsey, number 1. By a lot I did Kittle finish 2.
Speaker 3:It's because Trent a lot of these like he got hurt, though. Remember he got hurt, yeah, but he had like some really big weeks. Taysum Hill, Trent finished 6 and he had like 2 big games and the rest were garbage.
Speaker 1:Well, did Hawkinson go mid-season to the Vikings? Yeah, yeah, and he didn't have that great of a start with the Lions. He was banged up most, and so then he also made a jump there, mark Andrews.
Speaker 3:I remember talking about.
Speaker 1:Gerald Everett and him being top 15. I think I maybe said he was going to be top 10.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you said 10.
Speaker 1:Top 10, right. So those are the rankings there. I think the top 2 is not shocking, but I think 3 through 6 is probably pretty not shocking. But I mean that could all swap. I personally thought Mark Andrews ended above TJ Hawkinson last year. I didn't realize Hawkinson ended up so high. No, andrews got hurt too last year he did. But I just I remember Hawkinson had a really slow start in Detroit and then when he moved over to the Vikings he picked up. But I just didn't realize it was that much. I also was shocked to see Taysum Hill at 6. Were you guys? I was shocked to see that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think he had some of those big like he didn't have like that one like 50 or 40 point week. He had like 3 rushing touchdowns like a throwing one and like a receiving one or something crazy. Like he had like 5 total touchdowns.
Speaker 1:I think the guy who we and I think Jordan just pulled up, I think the guy who we think we'll get into the rankings here, but I think the guy who we think we're going to be see the biggest increase from this season, probably because he struggled with injuries last year and he's on a really good team as Dallas Goddard. Do we want to talk about that a little bit, or do you want to just jump straight in the rankings?
Speaker 3:I think we can talk about it real quick, because if Jordan's here then we can wait. But Dallas Goddard, I mean he finished at what? Is that? 12 or 11? If he finished right there, he came in late to the season and still finished that high and I think and I mean he was a big target like for that offense and I mean we'll get into it in the rankings. But I mean I think he's going to be competing with the top five guys we have. We have ranked like he. I mean he could very easily finish in the top three this year, just because that Eagles offense is so power but also like the talent's pretty spread out there.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I think he'll. Yeah, yeah, we can go with. Did you just text him trying to see if he's here?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm waiting to hear back from him, but we can start this off. There's some notable stuff here that we could talk about. With tight ends is the Lions last year. You know you guys talked about Hawkins, yep, and I wish Jordan was in here to hear this but the Lions had a franchise record last year with tight ends. They had 12 touchdowns caught by tight ends last year, three by Hawkinson, but it was two by those other guys, four by Brock Wright, four by Shane Zeistra and one by James Mitchell. So I'm thinking Sam LaPorta maybe could have a decent year there, but they spread it. It's amazing that Jared got through 12 TDs to tight ends last year and it was four different tight ends.
Speaker 3:Trent. Let me say this At the end of the year it was driving me crazy because I had, like I had Almond Ross St Brown on like four different teams. He would. They'd be driving down the field and he'd be catching every pass. They'd get within the 10 yard line. They would throw three tight ends on the field and take him out. All three of their tight ends are on the field and they'd run some weird tight end play and a tight end would catch a touchdown. I think there was one game where he threw four touchdowns and all of them were to tight ends. Yeah, no, you're like it was at the very end of the season, like they had figured out some cheat code in the red zone where they just ran routes with tight ends and they were just big bodies with small corners and no, it wasn't small corners.
Speaker 2:Probably it was probably like linebackers out there. You know what I mean, Cause they thought they were running the ball.
Speaker 3:But I mean when you run a route with three tight ends, like I mean it's weird, it's almost going to some there's going to be a mismatch, whether it's a tight end on a linebacker or a tight end on a 5, 10 corner.
Speaker 2:Yeah, brock Wright had a 51 yard game, winning touchdown late versus the Jets, so tight end getting a 51 yard.
Speaker 1:Why do you think it's going to be different? Just because of but really it's everybody, and they just added Jamar Gibbs.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I, I'm just thinking that maybe the port is good.
Speaker 1:I know, no, no, that's what I'm saying. Like I don't. I don't think why, I don't understand. I mean, you do have a Laporta rank, just for what it's worth, and I don't know if anyone else.
Speaker 2:Just put Laporta in there, just put it Okay.
Speaker 1:You just put him in there. But here's what I'm saying, Like I don't think it's going to be spread around. I mean, it's going to be spread around, but I think it very much could repeat itself. Do I think Laporta is going to catch 12 touchdown passes? No, but I think he's probably going to get a lot of targets.
Speaker 3:Yeah, probably in the red zone is probably the right answer, but I don't know for me, I don't know if that's enough for the top 15. It probably. It probably has been offered top 10.
Speaker 2:Well, just look at your tight end ring, like last year's tight end, like if you would have had how many TDs did Dalton Schultz have you know? Or Tyler Higbee? Like like, uh, brock Wright maybe had some better spike game. It tight end is so frustrating.
Speaker 3:It's so frustrating outside of Travis Kelsie and like like if you took.
Speaker 2:If you took a waiver flyer on uh, what'd I say his name, on Brock Wright, when he had that 51 yard TD to win that game, like you would have been really happy you had him that week because probably got him for cheap and DFS and he probably was on your waiver wire.
Speaker 3:Well, I mean like I don't know if you'd ever take a flyer on Brock Wright, because he might be the third tight end on the field. He might not see the field. Yeah, he might. That might have been like one of his two routes. He ran that whole game, yeah.
Speaker 1:Do we do we want to go five at 15 through 11 and then 10 through?
Speaker 3:like I think we go by fives here yeah.
Speaker 1:You still, you still want to go by fives here. I think, so that's fine. You want me to go first, and why don't you go?
Speaker 2:first what drawing go last? Well, let Jordan go last, in case he gets here. Go ahead, trent. I have Sam LaPorta at 15, dalton Schultz at 14, juwan Johnson at 13, dalton Kincaid at 12, cole Comet at 11, and Evan Ingram at 10. We were stopping at 11, but that's okay. Oh I thought you said we're going to go groups of five, yeah.
Speaker 3:You did do five. Yeah, you did 12. 11 through 15 is five, Trent.
Speaker 2:I know that, but Phil said we were stopping at 11.
Speaker 3:You just read number 10. Yeah, you read 10.
Speaker 1:I thought you said to do five 11, 12, 13, 14, 15.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3:You can never make fun of me ever.
Speaker 2:I know On the number thing Is it 15? That's 15 minus five.
Speaker 1:Trent, when you get to 10, I just I was like I'll read five.
Speaker 2:That's what I did.
Speaker 1:You read six. Okay, I was just on for a second year.
Speaker 3:I don't even know what to say. Honestly, I don't know what to say.
Speaker 1:I do want to say this though, for, like I did, I went bad on Jordan and Seth and I need to apologize why, in this this week I was, I was chirping Jordan and Seth because I was like on our, on our, on our, on our, our draft pod. I was like you guys were saying that I was so dumb by by picking up, uh, kincaid, and I think that he's going to have a better season than Dalton Schultz. It actually turned out that it was Trent Seth that I was. I was. We made the egg bet that Kincaid would have a better record. I just could have a better season than Dalton Schultz. And look at how he has a rankings. Like I think he kind of believes it that way too.
Speaker 2:Well, the stuff that came out like I actually had Kincaid not on, like I didn't either since the stuff that came out yesterday where they're saying like he's out on the field on every rep, uh, bond Miller said the guys in absolute freak out there Like I'm not, you don't trust me. No, I don't trust rookie tight ends. And here I am trusting a rookie tight end After I said I wasn't going to trust rookie tight ends. I've 10, I want to put, uh, I want to put Kincaid higher, but I just don't.
Speaker 3:I think he's going to see a lot of the field with Knox. It might take some game time to take some game time, yeah, and I think Alan is going to trust Knox.
Speaker 2:I think I'm too low on Dalton Schultz here.
Speaker 1:Let's let's go.
Speaker 3:Let me kick it over to Seth Seth you go ahead and do your, so my yeah, my 11 through 15, which is the number five.
Speaker 1:I have Taysum Hill, dalton Kincaid, uh, dalton Schultz, juwan Johnson and Colc, and then I'm going to, I'm going to go with uh, with uh, Jordy's here, he's got Err Smith, Dalton Kincaid, Chig Oknakwa On Conquo, on Conquo, Cole Comet, and then Dalton Schultz. So we're talking about, we're still talking, we can still continue that Kincaid conversation a little bit.
Speaker 3:Let me. Let me throw this on Comet here. I think Comet possibly could finish like closer to the top five because Justin Fields was throwing him a ton of targets. I know they also added some receivers like that's going to, that's going to change, um. But I mean Comet was having a good season with um.
Speaker 2:Well did you see, comet signed. For all that money I'm trying to find yeah, he, I mean he signed he's going to be on that team. Well, it's, it's. That's. What's crazy to me is like uh, you know you're looking at, uh, seyquan Barclay's deal. He just signed Cole Comets getting 12.5 million a year. So Cole Comet's making more money than Seyquan Barclay.
Speaker 3:So they're saying Cole Comet is more valuable than Seyquan, maybe to that franchise, but still that doesn't make sense. So here's Titan salaries.
Speaker 2:Darren Waller is getting 17 million a year, kittle is getting 15 million a year, kelsey is getting 14.3. Goddard's getting 14.2. Uh, mark Andrews is getting 14. Evan Ingram is getting 13. Najoku is getting 13. Uh, dawson Knox is getting 13. Jonu Smith is getting 12.5. And Hunter Henry is getting 12.5 and Cole Comets is getting 12.5. That's what's crazy is all those Titans went together, you know, and they said, because they block and catch passes, that they deserve more money. That's why they do that Titan to you thing, just to make sure that you just bring more awareness to the Titan position. But it's wild to me that really all those guys are making more than Seyquan Barclay. I can't.
Speaker 3:I'm kind of shocked at Kelsey's contract. He's he's kind of taken a team friendly approach. I mean he could argue he should make 20 million a year. Yeah, he could, because he could. But I think also he wants to win on the Chiefs and I think he wants to make more money possible for the team, more money possible. And also I don't know when he signed that extension or that contract.
Speaker 2:That might have been a couple of years ago. That's what scares me about Dalton concave. They're paying Dawson. Am I Dawson?
Speaker 1:Dawson.
Speaker 2:Knox yeah, they're paying Dawson Knox 13 million a year, so it is going to be two tight insets there, absolutely.
Speaker 3:It's going to be two tight in cents. I mean, yeah, Bill's is kind of like that, he's a throw ball a lot, but I mean they're kind of like Alan's, like a smash you in the face kind of football player. Yeah, they don't have they're going to throw, they're going to do a bunch of different things without running back now Cook and Naim Hines.
Speaker 2:Got a Naim Hines since he do accident.
Speaker 1:That was Seadu he was stagnant on a Seadu and someone ran into him. That's what the story seems like.
Speaker 3:Sounds like there was some substances involved, but no, it's.
Speaker 1:you're seeing all these, you're seeing all these injury reports come out of like training camp and I was like, oh he just, you know, he went down and practice.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what I was thinking, and it was like a Seadu accident.
Speaker 4:I mean I shouldn't be laughing.
Speaker 1:Like that's not a funny thing. But the guy was like he was. He was just kind of hanging out Like he just got reigned into by a buddy for what. It seems like, like it doesn't. It seems like when you say stagnant, was he like just passed out? I think he was parked. No, I think he was parked.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like he was.
Speaker 1:It would be like if I was parked on a Seadu and Trent is like is going way too fast and clips my knee Like I don't, yeah, that I mean that seems. That's what it sounds like. He's lucky to be alive is what it sounds like it does, yeah. So we shouldn't make fun, we shouldn't make light of the situation. He's lucky to be alive, but I I thought it was. I thought it was because he I honestly thought he went down at training camp and what it sounds like. That's what I thought. His buddy just bumped into him and it doesn't sound like he was going to hit him and it doesn't seem from all the reports that I'm seeing. It doesn't seem like it was that dangerous of a deal. It seems like maybe his buddy was goofing off or something and just hit him in the knee, like it's. Just seems like a weird situation. So it's James Cook there. All that to say. It's like James Cook and who, who knows else, at the running back position. Maybe I'm missing someone there in. Uh, it's not night.
Speaker 2:It's a oh yeah Cause they sent the other guy off to the Texans. Yeah, so it's.
Speaker 1:James Cook, I think. And that's it, Single Terry.
Speaker 3:Single Terry's a Texan, yeah, so so they have they have James Cook and I don't know who else.
Speaker 1:Anyhow, uh like, with that backfield, like I have a feeling they're going to that'll. Yeah, all I'm saying is like they have a limited backfield, so they're definitely going to be throwing as they always do. It's probably not a shocker. Um, oh, here he is, jordan. Who is the other man? Who is the backup running back at, at, uh, buffalo? Yeah, we're already started. Yeah, we were starting. Who is the backup running back at Buffalo? It's James Cook, and who else?
Speaker 4:this is anyhow.
Speaker 2:Hey Jordan, just totally off topic of what we're talking about right now, when someone brings up the Seahawks, do you think gritty is one of the words? No, okay.
Speaker 3:Do you think of the legion of boom?
Speaker 4:Uh a little bit.
Speaker 6:Okay.
Speaker 4:That's good enough. That's good enough.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's good enough, trenton, I'm an idiot.
Speaker 2:I would, jordan, do you not to say that I?
Speaker 1:sure then? Trent doesn't think of the legion of boom when he thinks of the Seahawks. That's what he said, that was his claim. He doesn't think of them at all.
Speaker 2:These guys are making fun of me. I was like, yeah, just keep living in the past.
Speaker 6:I mean I think of, like Richard Sherman and Earl Thomas, exactly those are all those are like some very important players of the legion of boom.
Speaker 1:Yeah, would you say that those guys?
Speaker 2:No, no, no when you think of the legion. So, whatever you think of the Seahawks, you think of Richard Sherman.
Speaker 3:He just said he thinks of a group of players, and that includes the legion of boom.
Speaker 6:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Who are?
Speaker 6:I think of the Seahawks, I think of how dumpy Carol is.
Speaker 1:Actually no, he yeah.
Speaker 6:You know, that's probably true.
Speaker 1:Yes, it is true, jordan can't stand Pete Carroll, ever since his SC days.
Speaker 4:All right, we can let's clap it up.
Speaker 1:The guy made it. He's wrapping a banana ball shirt. He just got back from Los Angeles. Did you go to any of the recommendations I sent you?
Speaker 6:Oh, we went to the ice cream place you sent me. Did you like it? It was good. I would their flavors that I wanted. They were out of which kind of sucked oh yeah, we were there late. We were there like 10 o'clock to close at 11. So yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1:Did everyone else in the group like it though? Yeah, I think so. You think so, yeah.
Speaker 2:So, jordan, we just went through 15, through 11 here. Titans yeah, do you want to say anything about Chig? I don't have Chig on my list. I know the guy's really dangerous once he gets the ball.
Speaker 6:I have like a lot of guys, you guys, no, I think you just have Chig. No, I got Erv Smith on there too, okay, chig and.
Speaker 4:Erv.
Speaker 3:Smith, that's it right.
Speaker 6:Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2:Erv Smith on the bangles. I feel like it's kind of sneaky, yeah, I really like Erv.
Speaker 6:I think he has a lot of upside in that offense they had. Who was there at the Titan last year? It was um, was it? Uh? Oh, I can't remember it was. It was Yuzoma two years ago and they used him a lot. That wasn't the one with the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2:It's the guy they traded from the or got from the Ravens. I can't remember his name right now Hayden Hurst, hayden Hurst, yeah, yeah, so I feel like they they used um the Titan quite a bit last year.
Speaker 6:I wanted to pull up um their stats from last year, but, um, I really like Erv. I think he's a guy who somewhat overachieved last year with the Vikings, or his whole career with the Vikings, and I think, you know, if they could put him in that CJ Yuzoma, that CJ Yuzoma role from 2021, then he could have a really successful year.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah, no, I I like Erv too.
Speaker 2:I liked him last year. And then the chig thing chig.
Speaker 6:I just think he's a really athletic guy, really talented, and I do think the Hopkins signing probably hurts chig a little bit, just from a target standpoint. They also don't have a lot there. That's what I was going to say. There's nothing else there. Yeah, so I think he's could be in line for a big role and I honestly think that, uh, it's almost better for him with Tannahill is not starting because he might just get yeah, like he came on pretty good when Malik Willis took over last year. So yeah really athletic guy, big target. Um kind of reminds me like of a of a more talented like Joanne Johnson, who you guys both have in your top 15. So, um yeah, and then Comet Schultz. You guys have Schultz right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, did you want to say anything about King Cade? We talked about him a little bit.
Speaker 6:Yeah, I just think he's a guy in a good offense Buffalo offense that is gonna throw the ball.
Speaker 3:So I mean, obviously we don't have Knox ranked, so we think he's gonna Well the rave review is coming out of camp with him.
Speaker 6:Yeah, now there's rave reviews coming out of camp with everybody.
Speaker 2:But my point when I sit right here is they're still paying Knox 12 million a year right now, like he's one of the higher paid tight ends.
Speaker 6:Could you? I could see two tight end sets there? I could. That's what we talked about a little bit and it might take.
Speaker 2:It might take King Cade a couple of weeks to get really get going Cause the slot receiver?
Speaker 6:there is not. It's not like they have like awesome slot receivers, no, they don't. They don't.
Speaker 1:And King Cade would line up there periodically at Utah, wouldn't he?
Speaker 5:Oh yeah, he probably could yeah he lined up in the slot yeah.
Speaker 6:Yeah, he's a really athletic guy, really good player. Why do you guys have the same I guess, joann Johnson? Why do you guys have Joann Johnson ranked?
Speaker 2:I have him ranked because I think he's kind of like Darren Waller light and I could see card you know peppering.
Speaker 6:The thing I worry about with him is Foster. No, is Taysum Hill. They said. They've been saying Taysum Hill is gonna have a big past catching role this year. I just think they're gonna. And Foster more rows there. I think they just might. It might just be like a too many guys there, too many tight ends.
Speaker 3:Maybe so Is it. Joann Johnson on the top paid tight ends.
Speaker 2:Still, he did sign. He did sign a big deal yeah.
Speaker 6:But Taysum Hill is also getting paid a ton of money too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm not not trying to say anything bad about Foster Merrill. I just don't know what he looks like this season, like he's recovering from yeah you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 6:Just a lot of bodies.
Speaker 1:It's a lot of bodies, but in the same way that the Dawson knocks and can, kate can play easily, taysum Hill could play that slot role quite a bit.
Speaker 3:I think my justification of ranking him where I have him is one spot above where he was. I think Derek Carr is kind of an upgrade.
Speaker 6:I agree.
Speaker 3:Derek Carr is an upgrade and I think he just finishes around the same spot where he is last season.
Speaker 6:One thing that I think could hurt and Trent's going to love this, but Joann Johnson is if Michael Thomas is, I know it's a big F, but if you were to play all 17 games or whatever, I think he could take some of that production.
Speaker 2:That's a good point. This is by far the best pass catchers cars ever had.
Speaker 6:You got Olave Michael Thomas, the tight ends. Who's their third receiver? I'm blanking on a third receiver there.
Speaker 2:I don't know who the third receiver is, but I think Olave alone and those tight ends, and whenever, if we don't know what about it's going to happen with Camara, but even if yeah, and even if Michael Thomas is like who's been Carr's best wide receiver. Rashid Shahid, who had a really good year last year, but no, but like, just look at Carr's wide receivers.
Speaker 6:Who's his best receiver. I agree, amar, and.
Speaker 4:Cooper.
Speaker 6:Devonte for sure yeah, yeah. But I mean, like, olave is good and I, even if Michael Thomas can be like 70% of what he was, like that's a solid number too.
Speaker 1:And yeah, we don't need to go into Carr Anyhow. Let's keep going in rankings, but hey.
Speaker 2:Phil, what's your favorite thing about fantasy football?
Speaker 1:The friend's made along the way. I know it's the draft, the draft. Okay, the draft is the best part.
Speaker 4:Well, yeah, there's friends.
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Speaker 1:And we're having a draft this week.
Speaker 2:We're having a draft this week. We got our dynasty draft. We got three rounds. Should be a lot of fun. We'll have it here in the dude din. We're grilling up some burgers, having some burgers, so yeah, so, phil, what?
Speaker 1:are we going next year? We are going 10 through six. 10 through six. You're listing five players. 10 through six.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so let me just say this Jordan, real quick, phil said Breed, the bottom five, and Trent decided to read six and tried to say he read five and tried to say 15 minus five is 10. So he proceeded to read number 10.
Speaker 2:I read 15 through 10. And these guys basically wanted to throw me off the pod.
Speaker 3:No, but no, there's not the fact that we want to throw you off the pod.
Speaker 2:I'm talking about Jordan, though He'll definitely side with you guys, like the things that don't bother this guy, but the things that do bother this guy.
Speaker 1:No, why are you giving him shade right when he walks in?
Speaker 6:I don't know what he's Trent was mad because I've been calling him off for all his stupidity lately.
Speaker 3:Wait just let me finish here. Trent argued about it after saying, like he was trying to argue, that he read five instead of six. I'm like but you read six.
Speaker 1:And he has a track record of making people feel bad. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:Yeah, isn't he the one that said like those are the right number, seth, and I'm like dude, like come on man, he has a track record of a little bit of like, being rude around those types of things, and yet he fully expects us to be forgiving.
Speaker 1:You know to show mercy and frankly I won't stand for it. Phil, I'm just glad you walked over here without your helmet on.
Speaker 2:So I'm going to read my next thing. All right, so I have Evan Ingram at 10, david Najoku at nine, pat Firemuth at eight, dallas Goddard at seven. Guys want me to stop or you want me to keep going.
Speaker 6:You want more, you want more, you want more, you want more.
Speaker 4:You want more.
Speaker 3:You want more All right, I'll let Jordan go Go ahead, Jordan.
Speaker 6:I have Injoku at 10, firemuth at nine, evan Ingram at eight, kyle Pitts at seven and Darren Waller at six.
Speaker 3:At 10, I have Evan Ingram, nine Pat Firemuth, eight David Najoku, seven Kyle Pitts, six Darren Waller.
Speaker 1:So you guys are all in the same spot at Waller new place. Maybe you guys want to talk about that a little bit on the Waller side.
Speaker 2:It wouldn't surprise me if Waller finished a little higher, but it's just. Can he stay healthy the whole year? Right? Like they say, he looks really good at camp, which that's kind of what everybody says right now, right, yeah?
Speaker 6:I have, even like, a bigger issue with the Waller, and it's that they have a million pass catchers in New York right now.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they're all kind of no-name guys, but they're strong, the Giants kind of look fun.
Speaker 6:Yes, they all look fun.
Speaker 3:Like the team looks really fun yeah.
Speaker 6:I just don't know who's going to be the guy there, like they got Isaiah Hodgins, darius Slayton, paris Campbell, jalen, hyde, sterling, shepherd, wanda Robinson, colin Johnson, jess Smith, james and Crowder.
Speaker 3:That is a very loaded wide receiver room, so it's kind of loaded.
Speaker 1:Did you have them there? Do you have them there then? Jordan, Just because you feel like the tied in rankings like can fluctuate so much, just given like a couple of good weeks, he's just.
Speaker 2:I think he just thinks it's going to be.
Speaker 6:There's just so many and I don't know, like who's going to be the guy there? And they have a guy, daniel Belinger, who they used a little bit last year but even Saquon's going to play a lot, cole. Beasley's there too, like there's just a million guys there.
Speaker 3:That is a lot of receivers that like a lot of those guys might have like a lot of catches.
Speaker 6:I love taking. I know we're going off a tangent here, but I love taking, like some of these buff, not buffalo the Giants wide receivers and like late round and best ball cause someone's going to be good. So I guess my point is that they're just a lot of guys there. I think Waller is going to be solid, but I think he just could have a hard time breaking into that top five with Daniel Jones has rushing upside too in the in the red zone and Saquon. I just think there could be like there's other factors I think that could hold them back from being a top five tight end.
Speaker 3:I think I think that's why we kind of have all have them there and like he's just been bad the last couple of years.
Speaker 6:Well, he has trouble staying healthy too, and also question how much he cares about football.
Speaker 4:So like he's approved that to me.
Speaker 1:Yep, let me think here, is there anything else really, that I mean we have pits. Was there a Steelers?
Speaker 2:injury this year.
Speaker 1:Sorry, Phil. No, you're good.
Speaker 2:Oh, what Was there? A Steelers injury at camp and one of their receivers get hurt. Giante, but he's back, oh, he's back.
Speaker 6:Okay, I just wasn't sure what the staff is, at least my sleep notification was he went from questionable to healthy.
Speaker 3:Okay, I think we can talk about this now, because me and Jordan have pits at seven.
Speaker 6:And you have way up.
Speaker 4:So, I mean obviously we know, Trent Shocker, trent loves.
Speaker 3:Falcons.
Speaker 2:Trent is a Falcons writer, so Ha ha ha ha Falcons beat reporter, tweet reporter. So who do?
Speaker 3:you want to talk about it? X reporter, x reporter.
Speaker 2:We can't call this Twitter, it's X Are they calling it X only no, it's not called that I don't know.
Speaker 3:I don't know how to change.
Speaker 2:I well, the logo changed, yeah, but it's it's X. It's not Twitter On ESPN, it's called X it said X.
Speaker 6:formerly it's called Twitter. That's what they said, cause there's a someone, there's someone, there's a quote, and it said on X, formerly known as Twitter.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so it's X now.
Speaker 2:I Kyle Pitts. They say tight ends. It takes, you know, sophomore, to the following season to really break through. Like, who are the good rookie tight ends that actually come around? Like I'm thinking Kyle Pitts. This is hopefully the. I think this is the maker break here for Pitts and it wouldn't be hard for Pitts to finish wide receiver tight end three, cause when he finished last year he wasn't even in last year.
Speaker 1:It was the top 15.
Speaker 2:Wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 1:But the thing is he had Marcus Mariota and then obviously they made the switch, like with the four games left. I don't, is it all his fault.
Speaker 2:I don't know, like the coach there at the the Falcons, he has a mustache now looks really good. What's his name? Do you see his new mustache? So yeah, he he's had good tight ends in the past with Joe New Smith and stuff like that. So I want to believe that he has a way that you can figure it out, you can figure out how to get pits the ball. I know Jordan hates Desmond Ritter, but I'm on Arthur Smith.
Speaker 6:He is talking about Arthur Smith.
Speaker 2:You see his mustache.
Speaker 6:No, I don't fall. I don't like. I'm not on die hard Falcons Twitter like you.
Speaker 2:Well, adam Schafter, your best friend, tweeted the picture, like you just said. Like it's, it's a good picture.
Speaker 6:You know it's a are you going to mustache now, since he's your favorite? I've thought about it.
Speaker 3:You know, maybe I should just clean everything up, but the mustache, I just think the Falcons are going to run the ball so much that pits is not not even going to have a chance to finish top.
Speaker 2:What does he have to do to get in the top three, though? Like, looking at this, george Kittle finished his two last year and he had like what 640 receiving yards. Like, I don't think that's how the question. He missed a lot of games too, though I just for for.
Speaker 6:Cop, it's to be number three, and for Drake Lennon to be a top 20 receiver and for Bijan to be the second highest, the third running back. Like you ranked them all, the Falcons office is going to be have to be really freaking good. You are telling. You're saying, with how you've ranked all their weapons, that the Falcons are going to be at like a top eight offense in the NFL.
Speaker 2:I think they could be a top 10 offense. I think they could. Like, I think pits is going to start getting more red zone, more red zone targets, with Bijan there I think it's going to open them up. But you know, drake London's there also. Those are both kind of the same guy, almost right.
Speaker 6:I think one of those guys is going to emerge. It also goes to the fact that you are a believer in Desmond Reuter. I am. I am a believer. That is the fundamental difference between.
Speaker 2:I was watching NFL network yesterday and they had Desmond Reuter out there throwing. They say looks good Like I was getting kind of excited I might get a jersey.
Speaker 4:Okay, okay, phil Riz, please do.
Speaker 2:I'll just have my wife make me a Ritter shirt on her cricket. You know that's probably a better idea. You know the budget friendly way.
Speaker 6:I. Just that's ultimately the fundamental difference.
Speaker 4:You are a believer in Desmond Reuter.
Speaker 6:I am not a believer in Desmond Reuter.
Speaker 2:Fan club president arrow pointing up that's dumb.
Speaker 4:Please just do. Why do you guys have?
Speaker 6:Evan Ingram, I guess you have my 10.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean because because of Calvin Ridley, but I guess he still should be able to finish higher. I guess I guess my.
Speaker 6:okay, I'm going to use this argument right back to you is that you just have Kyle Pitts rank number three and Drake London rank number 17 and B genre rank number three. You can rank Evan Ingram at eight, calvin Ridley and Christian Kirk, both top 25 receivers.
Speaker 2:So would you be a lot happier with my list if I had Evan Ingram at eight instead of 10?, cause I can switch it for you to be the same as you, I'm too off.
Speaker 6:No, I'm just. I'm just using your own logic. I'm, I'm, you just said the reason you have them low is because, Calvin Ridley, I still have them 10.
Speaker 2:I still have them 10.
Speaker 1:I'm just switching gears here, jordan, you're really.
Speaker 6:I'm pretty sure the 10s wouldn't use that, but we do agree with you. I don't know, Trevor Lawrence is going to be a top. You see all those QB's ranked ahead of Trevor.
Speaker 1:Yes, it's a travesty that is crazy that he?
Speaker 2:what was he? 88? He was 96.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like that is actually Geno Smith he.
Speaker 6:Russell. Wilson like. Dak like this is.
Speaker 3:It's where he should be.
Speaker 1:He's where he should be.
Speaker 3:It's kind of wild actually.
Speaker 2:It ruined Jordan's day. I was shocked that he was where he was, but no, I, that's all the players in the NFL, but there's quarterbacks ahead of him is the thing.
Speaker 6:That captain make the top 100 golf was ranked ahead of Trevor.
Speaker 2:Lawrence, we're a lion's pod Jordan. That's good for our brand.
Speaker 6:Not good for my brand. Is ego or my ego? Um no.
Speaker 4:I think Evan Ingram is going to be.
Speaker 6:I think his touchdown regression will come back a little bit down. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Are you gonna be snagging in grim and most of your drafts Because he's kind of going in a good spot where you would like I?
Speaker 6:have a lot of all my best. Well, I could probably tell you right now if I pull it up. But I have quite a bit Watch it be a ton of Kyle pits.
Speaker 1:No, I have like barely any coppets.
Speaker 6:But do you have some? I'll tell you right now. I have 27% of an Ingram 27% of Smith, 18% Pat Fryer with 18% Travis Kelsey. Um, I have got to get Kelsey pretty early. I have zero coppets. All right, let's talk about Fryer Moose, cause you have him pretty high as well. Um, I have a lot of, I have a lot of, I have a lot of coppets.
Speaker 1:All right, let's talk about Fryer Moose, cause you have him pretty high as well.
Speaker 6:Uh, in your, in your uh, we all have him pretty high, we all have him. But I'm saying you because you like the Steelers offense this year. So that's why I was just going to let you. Yeah, I think, uh, I just know that guy like I like the Steelers offense and he's like he's going to be a go to guy for a Pick it Like. I think him pickings the. Honestly, I kind of worry about the ont a little bit, just his role there, um, but I think they're going to throw the ball at some. I had to get offense and honestly I could probably how I'm giving Trent crap for the Falcons, probably I should be getting that same crap for the Steelers.
Speaker 1:That's the one thing you had, jonathan rank pretty high, I think it is a better quarterback than a Ritter, though.
Speaker 6:No, but I also think that too, but like but, Jordan, like it's, it's your.
Speaker 2:We're splitting hairs here arguing about my Fryer Moose ranking versus yours. Like no, I'm not arguing anything, yeah, no no, I'm what I'm saying is how I give no how I give you crap about the Falcons.
Speaker 6:you should probably be throwing that right back at me with the Steelers, With how I have the Steelers right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm just trying to be a good friend, but you also don't have Fryer.
Speaker 4:Moose at three what?
Speaker 3:Yes, but yes.
Speaker 6:Oh fair.
Speaker 2:That's just mad because I traded Kyle Pitts from him a couple months ago.
Speaker 3:No, he got him. No, I got him. I'm not mad at that at all. I'm not mad at that.
Speaker 1:Coming back to that Seahawk grit All right, five through, five through one. Here let's move on. I'll go first.
Speaker 3:I'll go first. So at five I have a Dallas Goddard for TJ Hawkinson, three George Kittle, two Mark Andrews and one Travis Kelsey.
Speaker 6:We had the same five and all. Just it's Goddard Hawkinson Kittle, mark Andrews, travis Kelsey. Honestly, I think that is how the five should be ranked. I don't really see the room for difference. I know Trent does, I just personally don't see it. Who do you have in that I don't have in?
Speaker 2:You have Goddard. You have Goddard Instead of.
Speaker 6:Goddard. So tell your five real quick, Trent.
Speaker 2:I have Hawkinson, kittle, pitts, andrews, kelsey, I think the first two.
Speaker 6:You'd be an idiot if you didn't. I tell you you'll get your brain scanned. If you didn't put one two Travis Kelsey, mark Andrews, like.
Speaker 1:Yeah, can we give Jordan a little bit of credit, like he ate curl a little bit and he has TJ Hawkinson at four this year. Well it's, he had about nine last year and was just you know, basically you know saying the worst things about the guy.
Speaker 6:You're also the situation for TJ Hawkinson change mid year last year.
Speaker 1:It did. But also, but also, the Lions had like 12 touchdown passes to the Titans.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he weren't here, Jordan, but the Lions had their all-time franchise touchdown reception record by Titans last year they had 12.
Speaker 1:Hawkinson had four of those 12. And he had spread it around.
Speaker 2:How many games, the whole season.
Speaker 6:Oh, hawkinson, hawkinson yeah.
Speaker 1:So no, they had a well, he only played like six games with them, Jordan.
Speaker 2:Yeah, 12, 12 TVs, three by Hawkinson, four by Brock right.
Speaker 6:Sorry, four by Shane Zaynstra and one by James Mitchell.
Speaker 2:How many games did he play?
Speaker 1:I don't know when I can try and find when Hawkinson, the trade deadline When's?
Speaker 2:the trade deadline. That's when they trade him week eight.
Speaker 6:A little bit later.
Speaker 2:That's week eight. My fantasy league. That's all I care about.
Speaker 3:Hawkinson had. So if we count his first three touchdowns, Hawkinson had six touchdowns. But how many games and get?
Speaker 6:three and how many games of the lines.
Speaker 2:If someone wants to just Google when the NFL trade deadline is, I'd probably be the easiest. I'm having issues Internet here, technical difficulties.
Speaker 6:Someone told me how many games he played. It was.
Speaker 4:November 1st. So do the math there, right? Jeez, that is Week eight.
Speaker 2:It was week eight, so week eight since 2012. Week eight, so he played yeah.
Speaker 3:Week eight, week eight, so he played Week eight. So he played 16 and or, sorry, he played seven games.
Speaker 1:He played seven games with Detroit and 10 games with Minnesota.
Speaker 3:So he had three and 10 and three and seven.
Speaker 6:Yeah, yeah. So I guess my thing is is that he's now in an offense with A quarterback or a coach who's just going to throw the ball they're going to. I really think cousins might throw the ball 40 to 50 times a game to share. Um, I know his body's not going to feel great as we. If you watch the the documentary.
Speaker 4:Netflix Great show.
Speaker 6:You're going to know that like he's not going to feel good and I don't know how many more years he can take of it, but he's going to throw the ball, you're going to sling it. And, hawkinson, I just love the Vikings pass offense. I love the Vikings offense in general this year. Um so yeah, I think Hawkinson is great. I think they're going to use him a lot more. So I like, I like Hawkinson quite a bit and I yeah, I said such. For me the situation's changed and he put I thought he had a good year last year. He wasn't just touchdown dependent last year I think he had almost a thousand yards. He had 86 catches for 914 yards. That bested his previous best by almost 200 yards and almost 20 and over almost 20 catches. So like the targets were way up. It was a career year and so I think an offense like that yeah, I'm, I'm, I like Hawkinson this year, yeah, it's going to be fun.
Speaker 3:I think, kittle uh, why I have him at three is just because he's going to be the fallback for whatever quarterbacks there, like he's just going to get that volume. Uh, goddard, I think it's going to be a fun one, but obviously there's a lot of weapons on that Eagles. Offense to where, like it's, I think. I think. I think if Goddard was like the one of the main guys at the Eagles, he could potentially finish out like number two, but since there's just so many weapons there, it's going to be hard for him to crack the.
Speaker 6:Yeah, trent, what is that why you have Goddard at seven? I'm just kind of curious. Yeah, I think that's probably.
Speaker 2:Target is the main reason. Just AJ Brown. Devonta Smith is kind of why I have him there.
Speaker 6:Yeah, I, uh, I like Goddard and I just it's hard for me to not rank a tight end in arguably the best. I mean second, second, third, best offense in the top three offense in the league as a, as a number five, like in the top five. Um, I was trying to find how on my phone, this is not fun. Um, he had 69 targets last year, 55 receptions. His reception and target rate is really that's just a pretty good percentage right there.
Speaker 3:How many games did he play last year?
Speaker 6:Uh 12.
Speaker 3:It's pretty good in 12 games, I mean if you have a hundred yards seven yards.
Speaker 6:Only three touchdowns.
Speaker 3:So if you play 17 games, he probably has around 80 catches.
Speaker 6:Man. He's never had a year with over five touchdowns, so I would like to see the touchdown category. Um, no, they're targets, like, because you said you were worried about the targets and they didn't really add anyone, right?
Speaker 2:No, they didn't. And a guy that I feel like should be on our list who's not on our list is the Cardinals tight end Jordan.
Speaker 6:I feel like he could be a guy that he had a. You know, zach Ertz isn't there.
Speaker 2:Maybe he gets a lot of targets early on with whoever their quarterback is. And the other guy, isaiah, likely I that the the rain. I think you're missing. You're looking for the.
Speaker 6:I think Dolchich is the guy we might be missing. Yeah, you're right, you're right.
Speaker 2:Uh, what I like about likely is uh, they got Munkin. He was at Georgia, right. Yeah, oc, they ran a lot of two-trips. Yeah, yeah, oc, they ran a lot of two tight end sets. He might do a little bit of that too, and if Andrews gets hurt again, likely he's probably the best backup.
Speaker 6:I agree, I agree.
Speaker 1:Well, so with Andrews, do you think if you talk about Michael Thomas potentially taking away catches at from the tight end position, isn't OBJ just as much of a a threat at that? If you look at what he did in in in LA, he wasn't a deep threat necessarily.
Speaker 6:The difference is that, like Mark Andrews is the guy.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 6:Like he's the guy. It would be like saying like a receiver is going to take away catches from Travis Kelsey. It just won't happen.
Speaker 1:That's fair.
Speaker 6:Like, like, he's the guy like offense is planned around him. We're like like a John Johnson is not the guy you know like.
Speaker 1:I see your point Like he's a.
Speaker 6:he's a secondary weapon where, like Mark Andrews is the guy, Travis Kelsey is the guy Like they're. That's why they're an easy one too, because they're the only tight ends in the league who they are the number one weapon on their team.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That's a fair point Hands down.
Speaker 6:No questions asked.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 6:So I guess that's why.
Speaker 3:Whereas Kittle can be argued where the McCaffrey is the main McCaffrey weapon, even like Dibo, it's like week to week it could vary.
Speaker 6:Hawkinson, Justin Jefferson is yeah, Like AJ Brown, like Two years ago, Andrews was tight end one. Yeah, yeah so, but but Tyree Kill was there with Travis Kelsey, so it was. But like, yeah, it's just those guys. It's one too, because Travis Kelsey plays with the best quarterback in the world and he's the number one guy that offense. And Mark Andrews plays with a top five, top five quarterback, probably top five like fancy quarterback, and he's the guy. Like I don't think OBJ and OBJ coming off not playing off an ACL injury and Zay Flowers is the reason, like Mark Andrews is not going to do his thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, no, I hear you Speaking of QB, did you? What do you think of your boy, pat Mahomes on the on that show? Do you like him more or like him less after that show?
Speaker 6:Um or just the same I thought he was a little bit like, came off a little bit.
Speaker 2:Mike, how me and Phil say is how do you say is? No, I just can't.
Speaker 6:He just came off like a little bit, like like his brother.
Speaker 2:No, I haven't seen the.
Speaker 6:I haven't seen the show, so it's good, trent I need to watch like lack of a what's the right, like lack of awareness, a little bit Like I think the show is really shocking. Kirk Cousins for no one humanized Kirk Cousins a ton Like I think everyone's in a love, everyone's a Kirk Cousins fan now, absolutely. I think Patrick Mahomes people are just kind of like. He's kind of how you expect him to be.
Speaker 2:If I'm being honest, do you think that Kurt Cousins was a little bit different last year because of the show, like wearing the chains, that's good.
Speaker 1:But I think that's a good point.
Speaker 6:Like that made me think, but I know he's all like he no, yeah, I don't like he's always been like that, like I mean Trent the, you like that thing was year. I mean he, he just he just doesn't care, he just he's, he's just a nerd man.
Speaker 1:He was wearing he was wearing a shirt that was like super ill fitting. Yeah, it was like a terrible color and I was there with my wife and I'm like he's wearing a shirt that I could be like. It looks like he bought it at tractor supply.
Speaker 6:Like it's, his wife bought it for him at like where was it Like shields or something like?
Speaker 1:it's just. Oh, shields is sweet.
Speaker 2:No no. I'm not talking about shields but it's just like, I'm just like. It looks like.
Speaker 1:Jordan. Like the clothes he wears, like the t-shirts he wears. I'm like man, this guy like. He buys his clothes where you buy your he just, he's a normal dude, he's just a normal dude. He cares about his family, like yeah, he's a cool guy and the thing about Mahomes is like he just comes off a little arrogant and a little bit like I'm.
Speaker 6:Was it weird Like he, he, he comes off like he knows he's the best quarterback in the world.
Speaker 3:It's not the worst confidence, but people might not like it.
Speaker 2:What about Marriota? Is it weird with him on there, cause he?
Speaker 6:kind of left the team. He's only on the show for the first like half of the season.
Speaker 2:And then he left right yeah.
Speaker 1:So at the very end they kind of go back to him, but he seems like so so, Kirk, cousins, if you, if you besides cousins last year, if you didn't know either of those guys, you might think that they had similar personalities like to themselves for the most part get fired up periodically, family guys, but Marriota showed almost no personality the entire time Like he had his wife showed more personality than he did, yeah, Whereas Kirk uh Kirk cousins like super talkative and seems way more homes is really talkative too. Yes, for sure. Kirk cousins was in a a uh was in the choir when he was in high school. Like the guy is like, so was.
Speaker 2:I. That explains a lot.
Speaker 1:No, no, like he do you know, like the song uh, it's not. Here comes treble. It's like he was in like almost like an acapella type group. He's in a play too. Yeah, like he was like. He's just like all over the place. Like he just, he's just a cool dude. Yeah, Are you in an acapella group?
Speaker 3:Seth or just in. No, I just did men's ensemble for my music credits, All right.
Speaker 1:That's cool man. I didn't even know we had to have music credits in high school. I don't think I had it's like Probably did like.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:I took drama Shocking yeah.
Speaker 3:I guess that's better than me, no, no there's there's, there's, there's.
Speaker 4:There's no judgment there.
Speaker 1:I mean, if you do choir and I do drama, I mean I'm not really an attention seeker, so singing in front of a group is not my thing. Uh, it's draft season. We have a draft tomorrow. Two days, oh, tomorrow.
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Speaker 1:We're talking about. Netflix shows things like that, Not that it's bad content.
Speaker 6:It's a Titan ranking show. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And it's been our longest ranking show.
Speaker 6:No.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what time did you guys start recording? We've been going for an hour 12, but we did. We talked about a Jonathan Taylor drama for a good amount.
Speaker 6:You guys did talk about for 20 minutes and on since, like I thought you would, no, we actually did.
Speaker 2:No, we did. We did like eight minutes of like our weekend recap. Yeah, Then we went into Jonathan Taylor.
Speaker 6:Trent talked about Gary Lewis for five to 10 minutes, all right. I got a deep, I'll keep it short.
Speaker 4:I got a lot of it.
Speaker 1:I got my fight ID okay riffles because you could just put it down.
Speaker 2:Then lägo. But if I put it, back on, okay.
Speaker 6:And you know I'm I'm reasoning specific and I barely broke out myself.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and so what? What Like Greg? What were?
Speaker 6:your feelings because gr debt, what? No, you didn't get my joke.
Speaker 2:But we've all been there. We've all been there.
Speaker 1:It's the. Yeah, I knew, I knew who it was. I, everybody knows. That is yeah Okay.
Speaker 6:Trent has it all the.
Speaker 2:UFC as much as he when Brock Lesnar walked away, I had to walk away too.
Speaker 1:If, if, if Tito and Shamrock come back for one more time, will you.
Speaker 6:The problem is Derek. Derek Lewis would be Trent's favorite fighter.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he's one of my favorite, I think he's great he's like.
Speaker 1:He's a national treasure. I have a diva real quick, trent, you want it?
Speaker 2:Yeah give it to me.
Speaker 6:So I went to two baseball games this week I went to the bananas game in Fresno and I went to the Dodger game today and I'm going to say my diva is adults who have zero awareness of who's around them and will just say whatever words they feel like, like adults who will just just drop, yeah, the worst language and have no care about the person's kids around them. Oh, yes, like it's, it's like there's. If you want to, you can use whatever language to. Yeah, it was faith day today, but like please tell me, that's not where it was.
Speaker 1:No, not not.
Speaker 6:No, but like he's giving his testimony, not at that part of the like. My thing is, like you can say, I'll say care less what kind of language you use in your home with your friends, when you're out having a good time at night, like you can use what, but when you were at a public event, with kids around you cannot be dropping.
Speaker 1:F bombs left and right. I had this conversation, believe it or not, right before like before we hear it Before the pod happened.
Speaker 6:Like it is ridiculous.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the person you went when the people you went with was telling me that to friend of the pod, was telling me about that. Like the people sitting in front of you guys were just being very crude yeah.
Speaker 6:Actually, I was even at a restaurant today at dinner and I'm like like two hours ago.
Speaker 3:Not proper etiquette.
Speaker 6:And like all I hear is like some guys like dropping F bombs the table. I'm like what do we like guys, have awareness.
Speaker 1:You cannot just, like I said, I don't really care whatever language you use, like at home, in your own home, with your friends, like in your vehicle, in your class, but like yes, and especially when there's kids around, like no, well, the thing that I was telling Trin is I was at a bowling alley today with all my daughters and there was a high school group next to us and I was like man, like if people are dropping bombs, like I'll just be like hey man, like I don't care if you guys cuss, but like I have my kids here just like keep it down or move over or whatever it is, because I don't want them hearing that. And like I was like fully came there expecting me, like man, I'm going to have to probably talk to these guys, and they were yelling at each other and joking. Not a single cuss word was said and I was like the dad or whoever it is, like I almost went up to him and like I just want to thank you for like having a good group of kids here, like right next to my kids, and they were super polite and I'm like you don't get that every day, which is what impressed me about their whole group.
Speaker 6:And honestly, like kids I at least give a little bit of because they're teen. But adults, yeah, adults, like for 35 year old, 40 year old adults dropping F bombs with kids in a row below you, it's just you can't do that Like in the event the Savannah bananas thing like it's a very kid or
Speaker 3:yes like the kids love that.
Speaker 6:that baseball like that's wild, but even anywhere you go, like it's just people have awareness around you. Like like respect other people, other people's space to yeah.
Speaker 3:It's good to you though.
Speaker 2:You say Jim, or say Seth, or what are you going to do?
Speaker 3:And I was going to say, like another, another vehicle, one, but I think I'm just going to pass because it's like I can't. I can't just be complaining about people driving all the time.
Speaker 1:Maybe I'm the deal you drive it you drive a ton, though, so it's like if that's something you're doing regularly, like I could see.
Speaker 3:No. I'm going to throw this out there Hawaii, you're a diva for driving slow.
Speaker 2:Yes, why yes? 55 everywhere Island time. No, that's okay In island time. You don't really want to know. I don't want to drive 55.
Speaker 3:No, I want to get to the beach so you can really go island time on the beach like like 55 speed limit everywhere. When it takes me 20 minutes to go five miles, that drives me nuts. And there's not traffic and there's not traffic, dude, it's like I get it like you could walk.
Speaker 6:I get it.
Speaker 3:The accident rate is very low because everyone is kind of a more careful driver. Everyone drives slow.
Speaker 2:Well, you can wear a motor, you can ride a motorcycle without a helmet. There too, but also.
Speaker 3:it's like man, when are we going to build a four lane highway that goes in a circle around the whole island at like 70 miles an hour instead of 45, in the middle of like like Lava Rock all around us? I'm like bust the Lava Rock man. Let's build a four lane highway right here.
Speaker 1:So basically asking for, like a Dallas situation where they just have that freeway that goes all around.
Speaker 3:It's like man, I get it, but also it's like sure I want to cruise with the, you know, like windows down, windows down and chill Also when I'm in the middle of nowhere between point A and point B, where there is just Lava Rock and that's it. I want to be flying.
Speaker 2:When you're drinking your mushroom coffee or whatever that was sweet potato Ube.
Speaker 1:I want to try that now, so it's really good.
Speaker 2:Sure, you'll find a Pinterest bar by Diva driving slow when you could be going fast. I diva. The week is a. I got this from a buddy, I got this from fancy dad and I agreed with it, and also I'm going to be going on a Twitter space with them, hopefully this Tuesday. So go check that out. Nice Tuesday night, but bikes that think they're cars.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's, true that is a really good one.
Speaker 6:I think we go golf carts. We go golf carts. That makes it how many? How often do you?
Speaker 2:see golf carts, though no.
Speaker 3:I hear you in town? Are you serious? I have, I have.
Speaker 2:But like a lot of people, that's just a local thing, like I don't think like someone driving, you know, downtown Seattle and that gritty place is driving golf carts, right?
Speaker 1:So you just brought up Seattle and said gritty in the same sentence.
Speaker 2:I was being sarcastic Me in front of you. Read a room.
Speaker 3:No, but you're the golf carts.
Speaker 6:I haven't seen it. I haven't seen it. I think bikes is a good one, that bikes is good, like it's a share of the road.
Speaker 3:But also when this guy crowd in the line, and I'm trying to go fast.
Speaker 6:I think it depends on how the bike the biker is is like like how is he riding his bike in the in the road?
Speaker 2:Yeah, and some guys are cutting you off.
Speaker 6:Some guys are great Like yeah, they know what they're doing.
Speaker 1:And you try to get away around them to. You want to give them space, you want to show them, these guys pick bad streets to go on?
Speaker 3:Yeah, because it's like man, I can't go that far over onto the middle thing because I'm going to hit another car, but also I'm not going to. I don't want to go too fast where I buzz you and this guy just completely, just munches it. You can also it's like I kind of try to buzz him to be, like you know, scoot over bro.
Speaker 2:You can throw motorcycle riders in there too almost Some of those guys on the freeway.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2:Don't you hate that when the motorcycle like if you're in traffic and the guy just buzzes right through there though?
Speaker 1:Sure, why does it bother you that you have a sensor in your vehicle that lets you know they're coming?
Speaker 2:It just does After the time. It scares you.
Speaker 1:It's true.
Speaker 2:All right, what are you talking about? A sensor like yeah, my mirror Does it. I said when someone's there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so then, like you have nothing to worry about.
Speaker 2:You just don't like when they do. If you, if you crash with a motorcycle, it's way worse than crashing with a car. I don't know if you know that.
Speaker 1:No, yeah for sure, that's what I'm saying. I'm saying like scares.
Speaker 2:You Don't you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Like when they just zoom by some of those motorcycle guys are recently some of those motorcycle guys are crazy. Well, that's what happens when you drive in the slow lane going 75. Think it's a fast yeah, Once again you're fast Yourself wrong the fast lane is non-existent, yeah, but what do you got Phil man? We could go. We could go four for four in all vehicles, Like I was going to say, rubber necking and that kind of bothers me.
Speaker 2:Oh, I always drive slow to make sure I can see what's going on, but I have to wait for you to look at it, then I'm going to wait to look at it.
Speaker 1:I feel like I will. As I'm driving past, I'll be like, I'll tell my wife I'm like is it worth looking at? And if she says no, then I just keep my eyes on the road.
Speaker 2:It looks. No matter what is, everyone else is going to rubber neck, I'm going to rubber neck.
Speaker 1:No, I'm like is it something cool that everyone's looking at or is it something bad? If it's something bad, I'm not going to look at it, I'm just going to keep driving. You know what I'm saying. Like, if there's something like, if there's like a crazy, like car chase going on, like I'm going to look at it. You know what I'm saying. But if it's like a car accident, I don't want to look at it, I'm just going to keep going straight.
Speaker 3:You get what I'm saying, especially when it's on the other side of the freeway and everyone on your side is going slow.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I also think here's. Here's what I this is. This is a bad take and I'm just going to lay it out on the line already. But I think that if you, if you were going to do I saw I did I did take out on Saturday night, like I just I got some take out, I drove it back. I drove way too far to get it and way too far back. So it's like kind of my fault. But I think if you're doing take out and maybe everyone would do this I think your cost should be a little bit cheaper for your food. You're not taking up space in the restaurant. The food is not going to be as good, right. You're not going to have as good of experience. I still think you should tip, right, I still think you should tip.
Speaker 2:But I think I, just I disagree. You don't have to tip, the price is the same.
Speaker 1:No, but the people are still making the food, though you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:That's not what you tip the server, you tip the server, okay, so maybe so, maybe so.
Speaker 1:But so you would kind of agree to my point. Then you should be able to pay a little bit less.
Speaker 2:No, because the margins are the same for the restaurant with lighting, though, like seating, they can get more people in. Hey, if you want to take advantage of, you know paying all your money's worth, just go into the restaurant.
Speaker 1:But here's the other thing that I'll say, that this is my segue to the diva Sometimes, when you do take out, you get more food in the take out box than you do in the restaurant, so you pay less for more. Food is what you just said that's number one. Yes, correct, and then number two. If that is the situation, why don't you give me that much? When I'm sitting in the restaurant, you get what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:I think they want to encourage people not to go in the restaurant, then make me then allow me to pay less.
Speaker 1:Then get less in your plate.
Speaker 6:You know that's the typical film move right here. This is the done. There's a lot of evidence that show you guys, this is new. Bill is right now.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we just said that, but Phil led into this saying this is a bad thing.
Speaker 1:Thank you, seth, but I'm going to say it anyway. Yeah, thank you, I'm just trying to come up with content. There's a lot of things that I have to do for this pod that I don't enjoy. That was a lie per se.
Speaker 2:All right. Hey, I think we're going to shut the club down, as Phil would say. Right, buddy, Shut the club.
Speaker 1:All right.
Speaker 4:Hey, hey, well, hey guys, as always, thanks for tuning in.
Speaker 2:We will have a best ball draft next week and, as always, take care.
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